What We Mostly Didn't Like About The Defenders. The Defenders mini- series made its Netflix debut Friday, bringing together Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, Daredevil and Iron Fist as Marvel’s street- level super team. We assembled Gita Jackson and Mike Fahey to discuss what worked, what didn’t, and how horrible Danny Rand is. So horrible. The Defenders Spoilers Follow.

Fahey: So, Gita. I was following your tweets this weekend, and I am under the impression that you weren’t 1. The Defenders. Is that correct, or was I reading the really mean things you were saying wrong? Gita: Mike, I was not overall thrilled by The Defenders. I was expecting a lot of campy fan service, and I got that, but I also just got a whole lot of bad show. Fahey: That is impossible, Gita.

This is a Netflix Marvel show. They can do no wrong.

Except Iron Fist. And large chunks of the second season of Daredevil. But other than that, the track record is perfect.

How could it be bad? Gita: I actually really thought about this while I was watching the show because, you know, despite some weird missteps, I like three out of the four characters on screen. And we know that some of them have great chemistry and banter already. But it felt like I was getting a diluted version of four different shows, each with wildly different aesthetics, and it was like eating under- seasoned mashed potatoes. Like, it’s in my mouth, it’s a food I enjoy, but I cannot describe it to you if asked. Fahey: I see where you’re coming from.

I certainly got that vibe during the first of the eight episodes, which felt like four distinct shows with distinct voices, soundtracks and shooting styles getting mashed together. My dissatisfaction mainly stems from the fact that the entire event is the culmination of my two least favorite story lines from the Netflix shows.

Daredevil’s battle against the Hand, and Iron Fist’s battles against the Hand. I guess what I am saying is the Hand is not a good enemy. Gita: For the life of me, I could not care about the Hand. I just really do not give a shit about the Hand at all. The show seemed to assume I’d care from the jump—any time Jessica or Luke asked what the Hand does that’s bad, Matt and Danny would both say, “Everything.” Sure, they do everything bad. But like, give me some specifics? Fahey: I can’t, Gita.

They’re too bad, the things the Hand does. To do this, they use up the last of the substance to bring Elektra, the Black Sky, back to life. Why? Because they need her.

For reasons. Gita: I felt really bad for the actress playing Elektra. As you mentioned, the back half of Daredevil season two has issues, but Elektra was this weird, electric ball of energy and joy in a plot that suddenly made no sense. I didn’t know why she did the things she did, but by golly, I had fun watching her.

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Here, she’s mute, lifeless, boring, glum. Fahey: She gets a bit better towards the back end, and that electricity is still there, but there never is a real explanation of what role she is supposed to play in the Hand’s plans. She is a weapon, but she doesn’t seem to have any supernatural abilities. All five fingers of the Hand are highly- skilled martial artists, so it doesn’t make sense they’d squander their life- juice to make a sixth.

How far did you get in the series? Gita: I just checked Netflix—I think I tuckered out around the middle of episode six. After realizing that the show didn’t really get going for me until episode four I gave it another two episodes and I was like. I live for that. But I was just. I was so bored. Fahey: I understand stopping. I watched the series between naps. Then you didn’t see the fate of Alexandra (Sigourney Weaver)?

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Gita: I didn’t! I did like Sigourney—she always does so much with so little. And she was having a lot of fun being evil. Please, spoil me. Fahey: Elektra murders her with sais. Gita: You were typing for so long.

I am laughing so hard in the office. Fahey: Yeah, I did that for effect. Gita: Thank you, Fahey.

Thank you. Fahey: I mean, she had to see it coming, acting like a mother figure to a deadly assassin named after a character from Greek mythology famous for PLOTTING THE MURDER OF HER MOTHER. Gita: But yeah, there is a real pay off problem in The. Defenders. We see Luke in the first episode, and he’s just like, not in jail anymore. It’s a thing they built up and the payoff is “oh he’s fine.” Colleen gets stabbed by her suddenly- not- dead- anymore mentor, and he just leaves, and she’s also fine.

Sigourney gets sword murdered. Fahey: But yes, Elektra kills Alexandra and assumes leadership of the Hand.

This changes absolutely nothing concerning the Hand’s plans to destroy New York. It doesn’t mean Elektra is suddenly having second thoughts about being evil. Let’s talk hero motivation. Luke wants to keep the kids of Harlem from being used and discarded by the Hand. Noble as fuck. Jessica takes a case from a woman whose husband, the architect of the Hand’s office building, has gone missing. The guy gets murdered in her office. She wants to make sure the family is safe and get answers.

Detective as fuck. Daredevil wants his girlfriend back. He’s just horny. And Iron Fist wants revenge for the destruction of a city no one cares about at all. This is your Danny Rand cue. Gita: Yeah that’s a pretty good summation. Every time Danny meets someone new, he has to explain K’un L’un again. Still don’t care about K’un L’un, my dude!

I think I could have tolerated Defenders if Finn Jones wasn’t a complete charisma void. He just has no screen presence, he’s bad at fight scenes, I don’t believe the conviction of his actions, and his character is just so stupid. Fahey: He’s so grim about everything. And I get it—his imaginary home in the sky is destroyed. But also he has cool martial arts powers and a bajillion dollars. I cannot feel sympathy for a guy who goes from shoeless to billionaire and still whines.

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He makes your fist glow. My wife and I decided the fist is his “Better Superhero Detector.”Gita: Hahahaha, that’s pretty great.

Props to your wife. Fahey: Like in the office scene—one of the two best in the mini- series. He just can’t get it up, then Luke Cage arrives. Gita: That office scene was pretty great. I think they finally figured out how to shoot Finn Jones’s fight scenes (though he is quickly outclassed by everyone else).

The key was not quick cuts, but good angles and having the stunt people really over- act taking the punch. Fahey: There’s a bit in the final act, where the group is surrounded. Luke says to Danny, “Light it up,” and Danny punches the air and everyone goes flying. Download Kill Your Friends (2016) Movie Score on this page. This was episode eight.

Danny finally gets good in the final episode, after being completely insufferable the rest of the time. Gita: I’m trying, desperately, to come up with a response to this. But I’m just floored.

Fahey: Did you catch the fight in episode six? Gita: I think I was asleep by that point, to be honest. Unless you’re talking warehouse redux. Fahey: The fight between Danny and everybody else? Gita: Okay yeah, sorry, the other problem I have with this show is that it’s visually indistinct and horribly shot, so everything blends together and I can’t remember what happened when. Fahey: You have a point.

I kept re- watching bits I’d already seen, unsure if I’d already seen them. Movies On Dvd Clash (2017). Gita: Like, they spend so long in this warehouse that I mentally place it as “the boring shit from episode five,” but they STAY there for a while, and have another fight in six, and I forgot about it. If this second fight had even happened in the parking lot, it would have created a sense that time was passing. Fahey: They find out that the Hand wants Danny because he’s the only one who can open the portal beneath New York, giving them access to the “substance.” Everyone decides the best course of action is to keep Danny away from them. Except Danny. No, he wants to go fight them, because he is an ASSHOLE. So everyone kicks his ass.